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Duffy's intent on ferry still unclear
Mayor-elect uneasy with City Council deadline on $11.5M loan

(December 22, 2005) — After Rochester City Council tried to compromise with him Tuesday, Mayor-elect Robert Duffy remained locked in a debate Wednesday with city leaders over an $11.5 million loan so the high-speed ferry can pay its bills.

City Council gave preliminary approval to the loan Tuesday, with hope of having the deal wrapped up in early January. But Duffy said that city leaders shouldn't rush a decision and said he preferred having a few weeks into his administration to evaluate how to deal with the financially strapped ship.

"I am not trying to cast any cloud over this project," he said. "I consider myself a huge cheerleader for this city. I want to see things succeed. But I also have a responsibility, before we jump in, to make sure this is the best option."

Duffy wouldn't say whether he will press to hold off on final approval of the loan, which is set for Jan. 6. But his stance is creating a rift with City Council and casting doubt on whether he wants the ferry to continue.

"The first thing I would like him to do is say whether he is for it or against it because that is the direction we'll take," Councilman Adam McFadden said.

According to city leaders, the clock is ticking on picking a direction. Bills for the ferry come due early next year and contracts for next season's ferry service need to be secured. The city needs to go out to the bond market early next year to secure the $11.5 million, city officials said.

If all of that is delayed too long, the city could conceivably face default on its original $40 million loan, putting the whole project in peril.

"A decision to delay is a decision to not go forward," said Councilman Benjamin Douglas, who heads the city-run Rochester Ferry Co. that oversees the ship's operations.

But Duffy argued that the middle of January seems like a more reasonable time for him to make a decision. Duffy had been lobbying City Council to delay its approval of the $11.5 million, arguing that he wants input on the ferry's future.

City Council initially planned to approve the $11.5 million loan on Tuesday; then the ferry board would have followed Wednesday with final approval, wrapping up the deal before Duffy succeeds retiring Mayor William A. Johnson Jr. on Jan. 1.

Instead, City Council tried to compromise. It went ahead with the vote Tuesday, but sought to delay the ferry board's final approval until early next year.

The legislation won't take effect until Jan. 5, giving Duffy time to weigh in and name four appointees to the 11-member ferry board. A new City Council would approve his appointees to the board on that day; then the ferry board would vote the next day, Jan. 6, on final approval of the loan.

But Duffy said the timetable is still too quick, saying, "Would anyone here buy a house in 24 hours?"

How the debate will end is anyone's guess, and Duffy isn't saying how much he's willing to fight to delay the loan's final approval.

He could take many routes. He could simply agree to the current timetable, or potentially introduce legislation to City Council to undo its decision of Tuesday — something that council members appear to have no interest in doing. He could instead lobby the ferry board, of which he is a voting member, to delay a vote.

Duffy could also instruct his administration to decrease the size of the loan. The City Council legislation authorized spending up to $11.5 million, potentially providing some flexibility.

"He certainly has options," Councilman William Pritchard said.

But the political posturing isn't necessary, city leaders said. If Duffy wants to end service, just say so, they said.

"If the mayor is not supportive of it, the project is over," said Douglas, saying he's willing to sit down with Duffy to explain more about the ferry's finances.

McFadden said that City Council needs to have a strong working relationship with the mayor. Yet so far, the relationship with Duffy hasn't been smooth — and Duffy hasn't taken office yet.

"Although we have a strong mayor system, everything flows through the council, and if he doesn't have a working relationship with us, then it could hurt the community," he said.

Duffy said the city needs to move cautiously. The city already backed a $40 million loan to buy the boat in February after the original private owners shut down ferry service in September 2004.

But after a delayed start this year in June, officials struggled to build ridership and the ferry's reserves were depleted. Johnson announced last week that the ferry had lost $10 million this year and owes Bay Ferries Great Lakes, the private firm that manages the ferry, $2 million.

"I'm very cognizant of the need to move very quickly," Duffy said. "It just comes down to having that time frame be realistic for the right decision."

JSPECTOR@DemocratandChronicle.com

 

 

Uh-oh.  Things aren't looking too good for the ferry.  It looks like Bob Duffy is dithering, dodging and dancing around the ferry funding and I smell a setup in the making.  Once the mayoral swearing-in has taken place and Bob's got the crown, the ferry's future will be far less murky.  It's hard to imagine going through the process of selling the bonds, starting the 2006 season only to burn through the money and shut down.  If the money comes through, that's what's going to happen.

 

That part is a no-brainer -- anybody can see that.  Duffy, however, doesn't have the personal involvement and history with the ferry and has far less of a vested interest as was the case of Bill Johnson and his City Council.  He may be less inclined to be driven by personal ambition and prone to take a more analytical view of the business.   If the final approval is given to the bond sale, there's no practical way of turning back and it's tantamount to throwing away $11.5 million.  Ouch.


 

 

You have to wonder what compels someone to run for Mayor of Rochester.   Considering the amount of time and headaches involved, the pay's not all that great and  the mind games are horrendous.

 

Of course, some people have an obsessive need to be in positions of power and prestige; a few sessions of psychoanalysis might turn up some revealing tidbits on the issue of control, but I digress.

 

Bob Duffy is leaving the door open just wide enough for him to make a quick escape.  He hasn't said he intends to end the ferry business, but he sure hasn't said he's going to save it -- right now, it looks like he's going to do a little schmoozing with city councilors to win them over to vote against funding. 

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Spire at Adelaide and Church

Who knows?  The ferry's finished as a business -- at issue is whether to soak the taxpayers for an additional $11.5 million or not.  The $2 million to Bay Ferries has to be paid and so does the February installment of the loan to EFIC.... money which has to come from somewhere if the funding isn't approved.  I sure don't envy Bob Duffy... damned if he does and double-damned if he doesn't.  Nice job.  You have to wonder what compels someone to run for Mayor of Rochester.

 

Meanwhile, Toronto just keeps growing at an explosive pace.  As I passed Adelaide and Church today, yet another of the high-rise condomania is being built... Spire will be a 45-story tower of glass and steel added to a skyline growing both out and up.  The forest of construction cranes across the city is astonishing.

I took a quick trip up the 400 to Barrie as well (keeping up with traffic at 80 mph, it's 50 minutes away) and the literal miles of new housing exploding northward is only more proof of a metropolitan area bursting with an economy healthy enough to support new construction at an unrelenting pace.

Needless to say, the Rochester area isn't -- and can't be -- in the same league as Toronto and it's unfair to try and compare the two cities.  To understand why residents of the GTA aren't interested in visiting Rochester, drive north on the 400 and take a look around.   At about Newmarket, ask yourself "Where's Rochester?" and see if it doesn't make sense then.

You'll see why the Toronto-Rochester ferry hasn't succeeded and can't succeed. 

Rochester wanted to join a very exclusive club and was matter-of-factly denied in the most subtle of ways.  Not getting the hint, it still thinks the club membership committee is interested in welcoming it into the fold when nothing could be further from the truth.  It's humiliating to watch local 'leaders' make utter fools of themselves by continuing this pointless exercise in pursuing the ferry business any more.  Ferry supporters don't even have the common sense to realize they're being mocked and laughed at by GTA residents... which is a complete embarrassment every time local journalists prattle on about the marvels of a good 'marketing campaign'.

Does that stop the local so-called 'experts' from insisting the ferry project can work? 

Not a chance.  It's hard to imagine what it will take for them to throw in the towel and call it quits -- when losing $10 million in ten months isn't enough to convince people the thing isn't working, one can only wonder how bad things will have to get before ferry supporters agree it's time to close shop.

However, more and more local residents are rapidly converting to naysayers with each passing week and pretty soon, they'll be called for some heads on a platter.

Rochester City Council: Are you listening?  Or are you only talking?

From From \"Fellow Canadian"

From A Northern Reader
Date 12/19/2005 5:29:53 pm
To <kanowakeron@canada.com>
Subject Canadian website
Hi where do you live?  It sounds like you live in Rochester but you write like you live in Toronto so I am not sure.

I am in Markham and a friend told me about your ferry website which I've been reading for a few weeks.  It is a very good blog and it expresses how most people feel about it around here.  I have never been to Rochester it sounds like it has a lot going for it and maybe someday i'll visit but will drive if I go.  Why do people use the ferry if its no faster and costs more?  That makes no sense to me.

Thank you.

Well, FC, I'm still trying to figure that one out myself.  We're being told it's a 'fun' thing to do and I have no doubt that it is.  Lots of things are 'fun' to do but some are also expensive, impractical, wasteful, frivolously redundant and appeal to only a small segment of society.  That's the category the 'fast ferry' is in and when speaking in terms of a business, that's not a category for success.

Somewhat of a hedonist, I don't have much problem with people blowing some money every now and then and living large within their means or one notch above.  It's life experiences such as these which add colour to lives that are desperately drab due to that bizarre credo "He/She who dies with the most toys, wins".   By no means am I suggesting adopting a lifestyle far beyond the capacity to support such indulgence - been there, done that, doesn't work for very long.

Still, the Puritan Work Ethic being what it is and the Rochester area being such a conservative enclave, folks around here are wont to stick close to home and save their money for more important things like stainless steel gas grills or Swiffer pad refills.  When they DO venture out, many locals play Tourist as opposed to Traveler in their voyages.  They're interested in the attractions and indifferent to the community -- which is fine as long as they're not trying to develop a relationship with that community.


I physically reside in the Rochester area and have for over 50 years.  I also spend a great deal of time across the dotted line in various places throughout mostly southwestern Ontario, but also the Ottawa-Montréal region.  My primary access to health care is on the Oneida Territory 100 miles to the east of where I live, so Central New York is familiar stomping ground as well.  I need to drive 200-miles round trip to see a doctor or cross the border and without getting into why that is, that covers a decent sized area.

To me, driving 100 miles is a trip down the road.  To many local Rochester area residents, that's a call to the AAA for a TripTik.  While I certainly don't expect most locals to be as wanderlust-addicted as I am, it's difficult to imagine not being interested enough to explore new horizons within an easy day's drive of the Rochester area.  I'm not talking about a checklist where a destination is visited once or twice, then I've-Been-There-So-Why-Go-Again kicks in as the reason for not returning.

It's this very hypocrisy of Rochester ferry supporters which is so maddening.  These folks expect visitors to come to their community (while they don't bother to go to their visitors' communities), they assume repeat trips will be the norm (while they make maybe one or two trips in a blue moon to the visitors' communities) and they expect visitors to explore their community (while they barely venture past a tiny portion of the visitors' communities).

Yes, I'm Canadian and have more of a vested interest in my country and its people.  Home is where the heart is and it's no secret I have a close relationship with the part of Canada which is the closest geographically to me.  My natural birth family lives on the Six Nations of the Grand River reserve which is southwest of Hamilton and an hour from downtown Toronto.  Of course, I'm more familiar with the area and its communities than the typical Rochester area resident and there's no expectation that locals should be as acutely aware of the region as I am.  Why should they?

But when a local initiative tries to interact with a community in that part of the province, yes, I believe I have a unique insight to offer.  I get to listen to the thoughts and feelings of the typical residents of the community I'm in because I interact with that community.  That includes both Rochester AND Toronto.

My grandmother used to have a small framed wall plaque which I never forgot:

A wise old owl sat on an oak

The more he saw, the less he spoke.

The less he spoke, the more he heard.

Why can't we be more like that wise old bird?

Trite and corny?  Of course.  But it illustrates what can happen when people shut up and simply observe what's going on around them.  To get to know a community, what better way is there than to jump in and be a part of that community?  Ferry supporters want to get to know what Torontonians and Canadians are thinking?

 

They only need to get up and visit, then shut up and listen.

 


 

Sometimes bigger is bad, but smaller isn't much better

"How did they think a hovercraft was going to glide over the chunks of ice on Lake Ontario?"

 

"What hovercraft?"

 

"You know, that ferry to Rochester."

 

"The ferry to Rochester is a catamaran -- a double-hulled boat."

 

"Oh, I heard it was a hovercraft."  

 

"You haven't seen it?"

 

"No, but I heard something about some big ferry to Rochester and somebody mentioned a hovercraft."

 

So went a conversation with a resident of downtown Toronto.   I'll admit my friend is a bit of a Toronto-centric who thinks the world revolves around her neighbourhood off Carlton... Scarborough is considered a fringe area.  But she raised a few interesting points: The ferry is barely a passing thought to people preoccupied with living the Toronto Dream - and - possibly the rumours of a downsized ship might be filtering around.

 

Hover Transit Services Inc of Bolton Ontario has been knocking on doors around Lake Ontario looking to sell their idea to make gobs of cash for their business.  With the prices of Cottage Country soaring, it takes a small fortune to buy a leaky 1 BR fishing camp anywhere within a two-hour drive of 416 and the HTS folks must be looking for ways to finance the getaway place on Lake Joseph.  The Muskoka Life, doncha know.

 

These folks have been around for a while and even the town of Whitby, on the lake to the east of Toronto, has broached the subject of a hovercraft in their town meetings (link).  Rochester area residents have heard of HTS when they tried a sales pitch to float out the ferry and bring in one of their more economical models to take its place after CATS bit the dust.  Mayor Bill would hear nothing of it and politely slammed the door in their faces, intent on having the much more photogenic catamaran parked at his city's dock.

 

Now the idea of downsizing the ferry is being bandied about -- which only shows that people haven't been paying attention to the reason  W H Y  Canadians have avoided this area.  Big boat, little boat... it doesn't matter, as a boat with 50% the carrying capacity as the current model DOESN'T equate to a 50% reduction in the cost to own and operate the vessel.  True enough, the operating costs and loan payback would be smaller, but the fact that Canadians aren't interested in visiting this community doesn't change.  If anything, fewer people would be as thrilled to take the comparative equivalent of the Lake Champlain ferry to Rochester.

 

This brings us full circle to what's the purpose of having a ferry link from Toronto to Rochester in the first place?  Is it to save driving time?  Is it to bring a desperately needed cash infusion to the Rochester community?  Or is it a 'fun' thing to do?  We just don't know.

 

By definition, the main purpose of a transportation vehicle is to take people from Point A to Point B.  But if people aren't interested in going to Point B, what purpose does the vessel serve?  A hovercraft may indeed be faster than a catamaran, but enough to offset the cost of passage, time and hassles involved over driving? 

 

Not likely.  Selling the fancy model for a more practical one solves nothing.

 

Hey, you Rochester area residents?  You want to visit Toronto?  Just what's the big damn deal with driving to Toronto?  To read and listen to this area, one would think the trip is akin to taking a stagecoach ride across frozen tundra amid hostile guerrillas waiting in ambush.  It's not a particularly arduous trip; I routinely drive up and back the same day.

 

Cars have never been as safe and comfortable and highways have never been as convenient.  You people who remember driving the Thruway in the 1960's will no doubt recall the BumpBump... BumpBump... BumpBump... of concrete pavement separations from Albany to Buffalo.  You sort of got used to it after the first two hours of the Chinese Water Torture-like effect.   Today, with the exception of the idiotic patching instead of repaving, the Thruway is far smoother and quieter.  And at under $2 for tolls from Leroy (Exit 47) to Williamsville (Exit 50), it's not like it's all that expensive.  The QEW has no tolls and is a far better highway than the Thruway as well.

 

Buck up and get a grip, you pansies.

 

Damn.   It's about time City Newspaper made a comment.  Last op-ed was November 9 when the City folks piped in with a ferry cheer of their own.  Mary Anna Towler steps up to the mic:

 

City NewspaperA sinking (ferry) feeling

It's getting harder and harder to be optimistic about the ferry.

The city-controlled Rochester Ferry Corp released its 2006 "operating proposal" last week, and like its earlier report, the document is way short on information from which its owners --- the citizens of Rochester --- can make assessments about its future.

There's a budget comparison, but it's between the proposed 2006 budget and the original 2005 budget. As everyone knows, the 2005 actuals don't vaguely resemble the budget.

Several times over the past few weeks, Mayor Bill Johnson has said that he should have been frank with the public: that the ferry would need a taxpayer subsidy. "I viewed it as a death pill to say that," he told us recently.

But then he turned right around and said he's convinced that the ferry can break even without a subsidy. And the 2006 plan assumes that it can do just that.

Most worrying is the ferry corp's plan for marketing. Everybody agrees that the 2005 marketing was woefully inadequate. (No, not 'everybody' thought it was the 'marketing' that stunk.) The ferry arrived in Rochester in 2004 to great public enthusiasm. (Sez you.) And initially, ridership looked good. But the private owners were in over their heads. With their finances hemorrhaging, they abruptly shut down service, and the city borrowed $40 million and took the boat.

By that time, the ferry's reputation was seriously tainted. And the city's first season as a transportation operator got off to a late, shaky start.

What the ferry corp needed to do was launch a high-powered marketing campaign to get people to ride the boat. It failed to do that. And too few people rode the boat.

So how much more money is budgeted for marketing next year?

Not a dime.

The total budget for marketing for 2006 is $600,000. That will have to cover marketing both in Canada and in the US.

The ferry corp says that's not all that will be spent. There are big plans to "leverage" that $600,000, to get other people to foot part of the marketing bill. The ferry corp will ask the state for I Love New York funds. It'll look for "media partners" who will take part in co-promotions. It'll look for "selected partners" for promotional packages.

All of those are good ideas, things that can enhance the ferry corp's own advertising. But what if some of them don't come through? What if some of the prospective partners want to see a few months of successful operation before they sign on? What if they already have their promotional plans set for the spring?

What if we don't get much money from the state?

Marketing is supposed to start in February. What are the chances the ferry corp will have money and promotions lined up within the next few weeks?

What if we have to pay for most of the initial marketing out of our own pockets?

Maybe I'm being too pessimistic. (No, now you're being 'realistic'.  Huge difference.) Unfortunately, the city's track record on operating the ferry makes me nervous.  (With good reason.  Better late than never, I guess.)

A word of advice to Mayor-elect Bob Duffy and the members of City Council: please, please ask some business leaders and marketing experts to evaluate the 2006 plan. (Mary Anna, you're turning to the wolves instead of the foxes to guard the henhouse.  Smarten up.) Consultant Arnie Rothschild certainly has experience in marketing. But we need more eyes on this.

And we need a more solid marketing budget. How much money should be spent on marketing, regardless of its source? What will it take to get people on that boat?  (Maybe an enclosed year-round Walt Disney World on the shores of Lake Ontario would do the trick?)

And if the partnering and leveraging stuff is slow getting off the ground, if the I Love New York funds don't come through quickly, what's the back-up plan? (I think it's called 'Dissolution of the Corporation'.)

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Mary Anna Towler is still mired in the marketing mania craze which is sweeping the local business scene.  Theorists versus realists.  Idealists versus pragmatists.  Provincially-minded hometown interests versus regionally-minded progressive travelers.

Mary Anna, you need to get out of town.  Do as has been recommended and dare to brave the terrifying bleakness of the vast Canadian Far North of Newmarket or Barrie.  They've actually ditched wearing mukluks and sealskins... really, they have.  The polar bears haven't been seen in Aurora for a while and the modern igloos are actually quite comfortable during the six months of darkness you seem to think is the case 20 minutes north of Yonge and Dundas.

Sheesh.  How about we using marketing to let Rochesterians know about the marvels of Timmins in January?  Think that'll convince them to cancel the trip to Aruba?  No?  Why not?  Timmins is a perfectly beautiful place to visit in January -- and after the missing Natalie Holloway case, a helluva lot safer.  Yet Rochesterian area residents would be rolling in the aisles at the suggestion of a winter vacation north instead of south, even if they knew about Timmins in the first place... and marketing isn't likely to change that.

Using marketing as a tool to save the ferry is a rather feeble last-ditch effort which will have a marginal impact... at best.  Certainly nowhere near the amount needed to keep THIS boat afloat.

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Johnson on Johnson: The mayor looks back

BY KRESTIA DEGEORGE

 

Gary Ventura

<snip> In a recent interview with City Newspaper, Johnson summed up his own perspective on his years in office. What follows is an edited transcript of that interview:

<snip> City: And what about the ferry? If you had to do it over again, would you do anything differently?

Bill Johnson: It is clear that we in Rochester and to a lesser extent in Toronto saw the ferry as a viable economic engine, that it was a way to stimulate tourism, and it was a way not only to deposit more people in Toronto but to divert more people into Rochester.

I think in looking back we should have engaged in a far more aggressive marketing program all along the Thruway. When people get out to get coffee, they should get stuff so they know that there's a ferry. We need to have gotten more stories planted in the media in Upstate New York, because a lot of people are driving to Toronto. And they know no other way to get there except drive.  (And what's the problem with driving?)

The second thing is, I think that in our zeal to get it through, and particularly when the city found itself with no other choice but to take it over --- and I'm going to tell you, I was the last person on my administrative team to come to that position, because I felt it was just a no-win situation (Then why do it?) --- what we should have said right up front is that all public transportation systems in this country are subsidized in some way or another(No, what 'we' SHOULD have said was 'we' don't have the money to subsidize some redundant 'alternative to driving'.  Rochester can't even subsidize a rapid mass transit system; why would an unnecessary maritime link to Toronto make any more sense?)

But I viewed it as a death pill to say that.  (And this is a bad thing, right?)  And so I said, Look, I believe --- and I still believe this --- that it can be economically self-sustaining. Even now, it is clear that  if  we can get approximately 300,000 people to buy tickets, we break even.

Three hundred thousand for the seven months that they're planning to run is less than a third of their inventory. They have almost a million seats to be sold during that time. Three hundred thousand is 5 percent of the total population of Greater Toronto and Greater Rochester Metropolitan areas. Five percent of the year-round population. And there are another 6 million people who are said to come through these communities, who are visitors.

Can we take 2 1/2 percent of this market and get it onto the ferry? (You haven't done so yet.)  I don't think that's impossible. But people have got to know about it.  (Just because people aren't using a service doesn't mean they don't know about it.)

People KNOW about the ferry and the flawed logic involved here is mind-bending.  It just doesn't stop and sink in to the 'marketing worshippers'.

Just what makes the marketing faithful believe if people KNOW about the ferry they'll automatically want to TAKE the ferry?  How is that assumption arrived at?  I KNOW about private charter jet services available to anyone to anywhere their heart's content; that doesn't mean I'll rush to the phone and reserve a seat.  People KNOW the ferry exists; they just don't give a damn and simply assuming that they DO reaches the epitome of arrogance.

This ain't called Smugtown USA for nothing.

"It is clear that we in Rochester and to a lesser extent in Toronto saw the ferry as a viable economic engine.."

No, Toronto saw it as yet another rosebud in its spray of fifty dozen roses.  Doesn't add much, but it doesn't detract from the bouquet either and without it, nobody will notice the difference anyway.  Stop saying the ferry is some sort of tourist boost for Toronto; it doesn't even amount to a drop in the bucket compared to the total annual Toronto tourist numbers.

Again, hang out at Pearson International for a few hours and see where incoming flights are originating.  Obviously, not all travelers are coming in to visit Toronto but dozens of DC-10's and 747's are carrying a lot that do.  A wee solitary ferry puttering over from Rochester doesn't even carry the equivalent of only three DC-10's.  That's not counting the road and rail visitors flowing into the GTA on a daily basis either.

All things relative.  Rochester ferry organizers were never accused of keeping things in perspective.

Or of being knowledgeable of what the Canadian and Toronto market want, need or will use.

Back arched, claws out; I'm ready:

 

The Business Page

 

Ben Rand takes you behind the scenes and connects the dots for you in The Business Page, a new blog on financial and economic matters of interest to upstate New York. Ben has served as a business journalist since 1995. He's spent the last eight years writing about Eastman Kodak and the photo industry for the Democrat and Chronicle. A Pittsford native, Ben lives in Irondequoit with Karen, his wife of 14 years; Rebecca and Tommy, their children; and Lucy, their aging (and often nauseated) cat.  (No comment.)

Wednesday, December 14, 2005

More Ferry Talk

It seems to me that the easiest position to take on Rochester taxpayers going deeper into debt for the Lake Ontario Fast Ferry is to be shocked. Shocked!  (Yup.  Always lead in with a powerful and forceful line which captivates the readers.)

And given our community's pressing needs, I'm not trying to minimize the additional $10 million. It's a big number, a lot of money that could underwrite many important programs.

Having covered economic issues as a subject for almost 11 years now, however, I would argue that what the Ferry Corp. is doing is no different than any start-up business. It is trying to stay alive so it can continue searching for an approach and structure that works. Often that requires more capital. Behind that request for more money is a company -- Bay Ferries -- that's been in business a long time.  (Yeah?  And your point is ...?)

There will be plenty of time to second-guess and criticize and hold people accountable if the ship fails. But let's see how this new plan unfolds. (YEEOWWWW!  Whatta innovative strategy THAT is!!  Takes guts, my friends; sheer guts.)

"More Ferry Talk"

3 Comments -  

1Bigcoach said...
Hey Ben,
Great topic - We've got it(happy days) now so lets ALL get pulling on the same rope and get it profitable.

I visited with the Canadian government last year and they are very interested in working to bring business to the US and to Canada. (My... aren't we important?) This ferry is a great tool for business people that would like to expand their market in to Toronto -6,000,000 people.

If all the business organizations / towns would look at ways to engage the great people across the lake in business or recreation this ferry would be filled.

Lets use your blog to create a fire storm of ideas and get our minds out of the " it won't work" mode and into the "lets see how we can use this wonderful asset" mode. (Is this guy for real?)

Lets all think like the "Cinderella Man" did in the movie, it will work and we as a community will feel very proud!  (Scratch the previous comment: Is this guy lucid?)

Some great ideas from a great Guy.
5:06 PM, December 14, 2005
 
Behind The Business Page said...
Hey Coach,

Good idea. I think I'll let the dust settle after the first of the year and see what ideas we can stir up.  (Oh yes, let's DO throw caution to the wind and get edgy by suggesting maybe, possibly, it might be time to think about the vague and remote chance the ferry might not make it.  It'll take a huge amount of courage -- which might go against the status quo -- but I think you can take the heat, Ben.)

-Ben
5:02 PM, December 16, 2005
 
J said...
Well, I think we can cheer forever but it won't change the numbers. (A faint voice of reason?) The ferry is too big for this port, plus the cost, & it will never generate the passengers needed to pay for itself.
Also, what's the rush on getting $11.5 million more, why not let Duffy & the new City Council decide what they want to do. Johnson's almost gone, & he never had any projects that were a success, (Rank dramatic hyperbole.)  why stick the "new guys" with more of the same.
6:46 PM, December 16, 2005

Excuse me, but it must be placebo day or my meds need adjusting or something; did Ben Rand and his fan club actually say anything meaningful?  Did I just waste a few kilobytes of rented disk space  on some HTML which actually amounted to little more than Plain Vanilla Fluff?

Will someone please pay me what Ben Rand earns for posting a blog entry with all the spice and intrigue of a saltine cracker?  I mean, is it any wonder there's a whiff of resentment aimed at the Rochester business community when Elmer Fudd gets a nice juicy cheque for writing... nothing?

C'mon, Ben.  Let's tone down the fiery, provocative journalist rhetoric and try to be a little more bland, shall we?  I know the ruling Rochester business class has all the excitement of a blank 8-½ x 11, but you're really pushing their buttons with such inflammatory exposé and commentary.  Back off the bombast and brimstone, dude.  You might upset someone to the point where they can't eat their tuna-on-white lunch.

1bigcoach needs to attend the nearest seminar on Reality.  Being a non-participant in American pop culture (the last in-theatre movie I saw was War of the Roses when it first came out... I think that was around 1989, but wouldn't swear to it), I have no idea what the hell the Cinderella Man is about.  Nevertheless, when some pompous twit puts on airs and starts exhorting the masses to emulate some Hollywood confection, all I know is the Rochester business environment is in deep shit.

But we all know that anyway.  The Fat and Pasty crowd has managed to drive un poignard gros into the heart of local modern economics while maintaining a death grip on archaic anachronisms of past glory days.  No gang, it's no longer the mid-60's right after the Kodak Instamatic cameras became the revolutionary consumer goodies.  The fat n' happy days of a new SOFT contact lens are far behind us.  The Xerox HQ is no longer in the dismal, dreary upended shoebox in downtown and Xerox copiers are made by another company which glues a stylized 'X' on the machine and calls it a day.

Rochester business mavens: Welcome to the New Reality of Business.  Your obsolescence has been duly noted and documented.  Unfortunately, the local business culture still thinks and acts like critical commentary is akin to a treasonous act and colouring outside the lines is undoubtedly the work of anarchists.  Therein lies madness, social disorder and the decay of 'our' value system. 

"Good Gravy, Martha!  The next thing you know, they'll be wanting to work from home.  UNsupervised, if you can believe it!  It's a sad day when middle management's usefulness is called into question."

Ben Rand's 'Business Page' Blog.  We might just have Alan Greenspan's heir apparent right here in our little burg.

Who knew?

The Happy Camper Crew over at 13WHAM-TV polls its disassociated suburban viewers:

 

 

  Poll Results
Should the Rochester City Council continue to fund the fast ferry?

Yes, they've gone this far, it has never had a full season to show its full potential.: 17.6%
No, they should dump it now!: 66.7%
No, but someone else should take it over so the service continues.: 15.7%

For entertainment purposes only. Not a scientific poll.        24 DEC 2005

We've been all through the validity of a poll which doesn't provide the sampling size data, but the folks at 13WHAM-TV admit it's just for funsies.

82.4% of those responding to the poll said 'No', the Rochester City Council shouldn't continue funding the fast ferry.  Without putting too fine a point on it, that's not a resounding chorus of "Let's Save the Ferry".

The 17.6% who thought pissing away another $11.5 million on the barge is a great way to prolong the terminally ill ferry are perhaps the almost one-sixth of the local population who dutifully parrot back the slop which they see in the local media which is taken unquestioningly as hard fact.

These I-Saw-it-in-the-Local-News types -- who wouldn't recognize propaganda if it was signed by Saddam Hussein -- are perhaps the most gullible and easily manipulated segment of the local population.  If Smilin' Don Alhart told them KitchenAid mixers could cure deafness, they'd run and stick their heads in the bowl.

Not the brightest bulbs on the street.  Governments don't lie, priests don't cop a feel every now and then and the ferry shall rise again.  All truisms which aren't to be challenged and should be slipped into intellectual conversation at every possible opportunity.  An unimpeachable source, that's the Rochester media.

I rather like the third poll response: "No, but someone else should take it over so the service continues."  Who the 'someone' is who'll magically appear out of thin air and turn the thing around is unknown, but it gives those sitting on the fence trying to decide which is the winning side they want to be on a chance to dither accordingly.  "No, I don't want to fund the ferry but yes, I want it to continue".  These are the people who love the idea of a ferry as long as they don't have to actually use it to keep it around.  The non-committal faction.

Frankly, it seems to me these are the silent majority of the local residents.  "It's wonderful to have a direct link with Toronto".  "Do you get up to Toronto a lot?"  "I never go to Toronto, but it's wonderful to have the ferry around."  It makes sense to a community which thinks locals should spend their money locally, but can't understand why non-residents aren't quick to spend THEIR money here. To next page

Toronto: I know.  If I didn't see it with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it either.